Okay, so if I understand correctly, money won't really be an option, and everyone seems in favor, in one way or another, either a mutant-only or a mutant-majority community. Right?

So my next question is, what then? Does the Order go the political route, vying for mutant dominance? Or the Take Over By Force route? Also, will any mutant be allowed into the community, or just those who are for Mutant Dominance? (That's mostly in regards to any newbies who want to join.)

sonics said:

Okay, so if I understand correctly, money won't really be an option, and everyone seems in favor, in one way or another, either a mutant-only or a mutant-majority community. Right?

So my next question is, what then? Does the Order go the political route, vying for mutant dominance? Or the Take Over By Force route? Also, will any mutant be allowed into the community, or just those who are for Mutant Dominance? (That's mostly in regards to any newbies who want to join.)

We could go a political route but Syn would rather take things by force. I know Abyss is itching t cause some mayhem and it would better reflect the Order's image as being the bad guys.

will any mutant be allowed into the community, or just those who are for Mutant Dominance? (That's mostly in regards to any newbies who want to join.)

I would argue for Mutant Town (or whatever we call it) to be a community for mutants, regardless of their politics.

Abyss, I would mail you a dollar if two or three of your clones competed with each other for Governor of MutantTown. It would be significant quantities of fun.

I searched utopia in thesaurus and found some classics.

Arcadia, Eden,Shangra la,Perfection,Elysian fields,Nirvana,Nod,Limbo,Canaan, Elysium,Zion,empyrean,, Xanadu and Azure, of course then I laughed as the words mutant and utopia had a car wreck and came out out as Mutopia.

I like Eden. lol Sometimes I think I go a bit far with the meaning behind Syn's name. Oh well. Just a personal favorite. Though I also liek Elysium also.

Elysian Fields actually sounds like one of those fancy gated communities. I likes!

You know, I could almost swear I've read that in a book somewhere, too.... *draws a blank*

lol Just musing, but I find it almost ironic that, via Registration, the government is bent on separating mutants from society, and then here we turn around and do it willingly. Why didn't they just ask and bribe in the first place? lol

So, how well know will this community be? Everyone, human and mutant alike, knows about it? If yes, then any hostile activity will be traced back, right? Just for reality (sort of) sake, that would create major conflict between mutant and human, wouldn't it?

Also, would this be an anarchaic (sp?) society, where anything goes? Or will there be a mutant police force of sorts?

Just a few odds-and-ends questions to think about.

Abyss and possibly others could be the enforcers. I'm thinking of somehow keeping the mutant community from being watched by the humans. Somehow convincing (or forcing) them to leave us alone. Leaving them feeling confident that we can police up our selves.

I find it almost ironic that, via Registration, the government is bent on separating mutants from society, and then here we turn around and do it willingly. Why didn't they just ask and bribe in the first place? lol

(chuckles) Well, there is kinda a difference between "living in a town in upstate New York" or whatever, and "being slowly killed off in a concentration camp".

Yes, they are both segregation tactics, but... there's a difference.

But you bring up a good point... I expect that the Professor Xavier types who think mutants and humans ought to learn to live together (do we actually have any of those any more?) will IC object to Elysium, on precisely these grounds. (To which I think the Elysiumites will respond, with some justice, by pointing at the ruins of the Camps and glaring.)

how well known will this community be? Everyone, human and mutant alike, knows about it?

That's what I'm envisioning, yes. It's a community, like any other. It has its own stores and houses and roads and parks and hospitals and shopping malls and used car lots. Maybe it will get even get its own train station some day. It isn't an armed camp of mutant terrorists; it isn't even a secret armed camp pretending to be a community. (Though, of course, nothing stops mutant terrorists from trying to set up base there.)

If yes, then any hostile activity will be traced back, right? Just for reality (sort of) sake, that would create major conflict between mutant and human, wouldn't it?

Sure, if that's where things go. If the Elysiumites start attacking their neighbors and generally acting hostile and warlike, sooner or later their activity will get traced back to them, just like any other community that started doing that.

But, again, what I'm envisioning is not an armed camp of terrorists, but a community of people who happen to be mutants, and whose primary goal in life is to raise their families and make a living and so forth and would just as soon not go out and have exciting life-or-death battles.

Also, would this be an anarchaic (sp?) society, where anything goes? Or will there be a mutant police force of sorts?

I think some kind of government and police force would be necessary, and it would make sense for the police to be composed of mutants.

One model we can adopt is Indian reservations, or certain parts of Chinatown, where officially everyone involved is following U.S.law, but in practice they have their own rules, and everybody sorta looks the other way as long as nothing too big happens.

Just a few odds-and-ends questions to think about.

Good questions!

I like this gated community of mutants idea.

But you bring up a good point... I expect that the Professor Xavier types who think mutants and humans ought to learn to live together (do we actually have any of those any more?) will IC object to Elysium, on precisely these grounds. (To which I think the Elysiumites will respond, with some justice, by pointing at the ruins of the Camps and glaring.)

And speaking of gated communities...*points to the ruins of the camps herself* If you're looking for a bunch of land in upstate New York that isn't going to be used anymore, you could convert the old concentration camp into a mutant community. It already has strong defenses and lots of land. It also would be the last place anyone would look.

Understandably, it might have a lot of bad memories attached to it, but I like the idea of giving old places a make over and give them new meaning. It's sort of symbolic of over coming the evil of that place by turning it into something good. With enough reconstruction, we could make the place unrecognizable from the old camp, except for the walls, which would make it appear from the outside that there wasn't anything there except for the old camp.

Interesting idea, Kat.

As above, what I had in mind was something more public.

But of course that doesn't preclude some group of sneaky mutants taking the Camps over as their base while still making it appear like the ruined campsite from the outside, if somebody wanted to do that.

Just a minor point that's somewhat lagging in time with the posts but Elysian Fields is the name of the district where Stanley and Stella Kowalski live in the Tennessee Williams production "A Streetcar Named Desire".

I know this has been dead for a few days now. But I really like the idea of a new modern Mafia running this gated community. The mafia wasn’t just organized crime but it was also a group or “family” of people that protected the under privileged people that the government would not because of who they were. Just as the government treats mutants in out cases. But in the mafia what happens it grows just as any family would and when that happened it creates issues inside the family. As the community grows, so does the power. New people gain strength and feel that they should be more powerful then said person. So in all in time I really think this would be something that would the start of the greater picture. In time all humans will be no more and it will be just mutants that walk the earth. We are the next step for mankind. But just like Dungeons and Dragons. With out evil there can be no good. And with out no good there can be evil. So when you take out the human race and there is nothing but mutants some one has to step up to start the process all over again. And who could that be? So I really think the whole “Mafia” idea would make things very interesting in the long run and it would fit wonderfully if started by The Order. Just a thought.