So, apologies if I'm stepping on something that's already been happening in PMs or whatever, but I've been starting to think about where the Order goes once they aren't all hiding in the Labs following Hunter/Kaz's lead.

It seems to me that the thing that makes the Order unique is their isolationist mutant supremacy policy. The Kabal seems primarily interested in increasing its own power; the X-Men seem primarily interested in promoting peace and equality and stuff; the Order is somewhere in between: they're out for more than personal power, but they could give a damn what happens to mere humans.

So I was thinking it would be cool, now that Sanctuary has been destroyed, for the New, Improved, Order to reinvent themselves as something a little bit more like the Morlocks from the X-Men comic, or Promise City from 4400... a kind of gated village, open to all mutants but isolated from humans, living on their own.

One possibility is the Order could move underground -- occupy secret tunnels, abandoned train stations, caves, sewer systems, etc. Alternatively we could buy up a neighborhood somewhere and turn it into a mutant ghetto. Or we could do both -- occupy ordinary real-estate, like a new Sanctuary and whatever other buildings we wanted to buy or control, but our real base would be Mutant Town, which exists under the streets of New York.

In effect, Syn would be not only the leader of the Order (the PC group of activist powerful mutant types), but also something like "Mayor of Mutant Town", with Abyss as her deputies, etc. etc. At first it would be a small colony, but over time the word would spread and you'd get dozens, then hundreds of mutant refugees living there, exchanging goods and services and generally living their lives without being surrounded by humans. These would be mutant civilians, not Order members, although they would probably organize defenses and their own militia and that sort of thing, both to police Mutant Town and to defend it if the humans come after us in force again.

Thoughts?

Ah, OK... thanks for the pointer.

I still like the idea of creating an actual community for mutants, as opposed to (or in addition to) a gang, but if Syn, Oppressor, etc. have other plans then never mind.

Red would be with the Morlocks

I like the idea of a mutants only community. The only thing about Syn is that she liked Sanctuary. It held the Order and was right in plain sight (though at the time no one knew this) so it was like a slap in the face of humans.

Sanctuary could be rebuilt in a new secret place. I just don't want the possibility of someone like Geo or someone with vibration powers to cave everything in on us and either kill us or trap us underground.

So, I think part of the community could be underground like for the refugees, but I also want part to be above ground in a more fortified structure than the original Sanctuary. This could be for the mutants that either have more to offer or could be potential Order members.

I haven't read all the comics or any of that but I'm trying to make Syn like how Magneto was originally. Mutant supremacy and damn all who get in the way.

(nods)

I'm not particularly attached to the "underground" thing... I'm just as happy with the Order buying up, say, a hundred square miles of property in upstate New York and setting up a community there.

Honestly, I think they're still just as much in danger on the surface (from bombs and armies and Stalkers and whatever) as they are underground (from cave-ins and Geo and whatever), but either way we can deal with it by installing suitable defenses (and accepting that there will be casualties if it comes to a shooting war).

The part of this idea that I'm fond of is the idea of a mutant community, where families have their own homes and raise children and send their kids to school and work at jobs and trade with their neighbors, etc., etc., etc., which has nothing to do with teams of mutant supervillains or vast conspiracies or any of the rest of it.

Although, on further consideration, perhaps we could set up something like this as an independent NPC group instead, and let the Order go on doing what it's been doing all along (except in a more fortified building this time)?

I dunno. Just thinking out loud.

Syn wouldn't be against having a mutant only community and after all that's currently going on she could probably get sympathy from the humans which might make buying up land a bit more easy. I'm just not sure who all would write for the people in the community on daily interactions and what not. Although, there might be some people who would rather do that than be on some sort of special team.

And yes we'll have better defenses this time.

Make the Order nobles among the community....hmm...maybe a variation on that where the refugees hold the Order in high regards for giving them a place to live and would do what they coudl to defend the name of the Order as well as the community/Sanctuary. I think I really want to rebuild Sanctuary and fortify it more. Then with the exception of Lisa and any other possible mutant friendly people only employ mutants to run the place.

Re: who writes for the members of the community... I envision it like we handle the residents of Manhattan today. That is, for the most part, nobody does... we just all acknowledge that there are a lot of people there, running around doing their own thing. We introduce individuals when relevant.

Re: "nobility"... I'd been thinking of something a little more modern and less feudal, but if y'all are into the "nobility" thing, that's OK with me. I figure Syn is in a position to be the ultimate political figure -- everybody likes her if she wants them to! -- regardless of the form of government.

sonya said:

Re: who writes for the members of the community... I envision it like we handle the residents of Manhattan today. That is, for the most part, nobody does... we just all acknowledge that there are a lot of people there, running around doing their own thing. We introduce individuals when relevant.

That works

Re: "nobility"... I'd been thinking of something a little more modern and less feudal, but if y'all are into the "nobility" thing, that's OK with me. I figure Syn is in a position to be the ultimate political figure -- everybody likes her if she wants them to! -- regardless of the form of government.

Aww you know me *smiles*

((If y'all want me to butt out let me know.))

I have to say the ideas floating around here are quite interesting to think about. Ya got my support concerning the mutant only community. Fortifying Sanctuary is a good idea, weither you decide to relocate it or not. If you'd like help, Kaz's Warehouse is quite fortified and protected so I could possibly help out with ideas and the like.

The idea of buying up land and creating the community would take some money. To my knowledge, there are four people (three active) who have tons of money to their name (not thier group): Hunter, Zephyr, and Kaz. Though Kaz has cut his ties to the Order, he has not done so to the members. If the idea was brought up to him, I don't think you'd have much trouble in getting his help buying up land and getting things prepped and ready. He already owns everything around his warehouse in a 2 mile radius, and not just what's above the ground, but also beneith it (since usually people own the top of the ground and someone else, usually the city/state, owns the ground the house/building sits on and everything under it). Kaz has bought all his property and such through a middle-man so to speak. Also he has his money 'cleaned' through a complex process set up by someone else. To this end, if things needed to be bought, he'd only have to make a few calls and such to have things arranged. It'd be an easy way to get things done without arousing suspicion (or at least not a lot of it).

Just my two cents.

Don't forget, we could steal money, since Horus is in for that, Mandain will turn over too, to the darkside that is. With them combined you could do some stealing, then make the money legal (that ain't so hard) and then you would have your money to buy some nice land

Even though Dorian King (Oppressor) isn't active he has still given alot of support for Syn to use at her whim. However, I'm all about busting in a few banks or something like the classic baddies.

All good ideas, funding-wise.

Another possibility is to do this officially: have Syn go around "convincing" various wealthy people, philanthropic organizations, etc. to provide initial funding to some charitable organization (secretly controlled by the Order, of course) that purchases the real-estate and holds it in trust.

Which would also make the Order "nobility" for Mutant Village in the traditional feudal sense -- we own the land, the residents just live there.

Incidentally, note that while this would be expensive to start up, it would actually not be a bad investment... the mutants living there would be paying rent, making improvements on the land, providing various sorts of "services" in lieu of rent, etc.

lol Sorry, couldn't help but stick this idea in after reading. If you want a modern version of the nobility idea, why not use a modified 'Mob Family', with Alley Syn Capone in charge?

lol Sorry, I couldn't resist. Feel free to ignore me. ;D

Good possibility Sonya. I like that idea. Between Sonya and Syn there could be quite a few organizations that suddenly decide to aid us.

LOL Thanks Iris.

If we did a version of ocean's 11 I suppose Sonya and Syn would have to be the ones doing the inside work while Abys and clones provide security adn Shade could help with nosey security guards and what not.