Well, even though MRO is US-centric, I think it's important to remember that a lot of countries to come to their own conclusions without US interference. Some might see this as the coming of new gods or prophets, other countries might be forming mutant militias/seeing mutants as a blessing rather than a curse in grabs for power. Actually I'm surprised that hasn't happened yet. Because, think of the possibilities. The array of powers are vast and have a wide variety of application and if you can get that population under control, you could probably have an unthinkable amount of push in the global power game.

The US is number one in military might, but by subjugating a fairly powerful portion of the population rather than utilizing it they loose in that front. Hell this idiocy might make them vulnerable to countries/groups that have had it out for them. Like ISIS or North Korea. Those groups have tried to build identities to try and either make them more friendly and open than they actually are or more powers and the best, respectively. They have internalized communities that are brainwashed, who's to stay that they wouldn't utilize mutants when they appear to their advantage.

(On a side note I'm really loving this world building convo!)

How about a little spin on what is kind of going on in real life? The Government is doing things, say illegal detaining, wants local law enforcement to follow suit but they don't and the X-Men are working with the police so that wouldn't strain anything with them. Know what I'm saying?

Gov't could see Mutants as a Terror threat and they have an "Internment settlement" set up for Mutants to "Protect" them from humans that want to do them harm, so they are detaining them and finding any reason they can to ship Mutants off to this "Internment settlement"? Just a thought.

As someone who lived (and survival-mode-Modded) through the last Registration Act, with full-on internment camps: they are a good idea for about two weeks, then they get reeeeeeally bad for overall site involvement levels. Really bad. We just about killed the site with the last one. That is not an exaggeration. Very good idea on paper, very bad idea when we have a low number of players, as we currently do (segregating the player base such that it becomes harder to RP with anyone you want for any reason, and much harder for newbs to just drop into things == decrease in activity and newb retention).

I do love the idea of having the stalker robots and curfew like Rummy proposed, putting pressure on mutant/human relations--I think that'll be excellent for threading, and creating conflict.

So to get the convo back on track from the overall world building to the plot starter being proposed here: what sort of timeline were you thinkin' for getting the stalkers implemented, Rummy? And is everyone good with nixing the stop-and-frisk/no-reason-braceleting and introing buggy AIs, or do we want more discussion there? Scanners in other locations (airports, government buildings, etc) sound like something that could be introed as we go along if folks want to, but which don't need to be in the plot kick off (logistically, it would take a decent amount of time, budget, and political support to get those in place--though we could certainly have them announced to the IC public as planned changes, so that people can freak out about them <3).

Speaking on my end, I can have Calley RP the NYPD briefing its officers about the coming changes to establish things from that end, and it sounds like Aura and Scorch have good thread ideas for giving us an inciting incident for the curfews.

Are people good to start this in the next week or so, or do we need more time to put pieces in place?

Rummy--as a head's up, site-wide plots are usually run as a combo of the creator (you) and the Mods, just to make sure things stay organized/folks stay on the same page. Once we're ready to run this thing and folks have their opinions put out, we'll take it to PM/email to get details totally smoothed out before the official plot launch. I'm hearing no opposition here, so that should hopefully be soon. <3

That sounds pretty good Jiri. Stop and frisk would be bad and make the police very unpopular. ove the rest of it though.

I can also see the order opposing this kind of thing as open discrimination. I know Aura won't like it at all. At some point the order, even a few members could hit a manufacturing plant for the robots to try and stop their creation which might be futile but would slow it down. The X-men could either help or hinder that operation.

Robots are needed by the nypd here as the nypd survival rate is well....low. Aura is of course in no way responsible.

How big of a trigger are we looking? We could use a single bomb event or multiple bombs going off in the biggest police stations in NYC, or any equivalent really if it's needed.

...Let's try to avoid bombing the police stations. lol (Seriously, we need some police left alive. You said it yourself on their survival rate.... )

Especially when a direct display of powers would be more galvanizing. Bombs? Anyone could do those, and it would take time to investigate the source and peg it to mutants. Mutant powers being used to cause destruction? Clearly mutants did it! 

If you want to straight up have a thread attacking the MRC's station, I'd be down for RPing that with you. 

fair enough. Aura is a fan of a open power use lol. Perhapse the police are just overwhelmed in the attack calling for the need of the new measures then? Could be on anything froma major bank to a monumnet to just wan ton destruction.

Could be an order slaughter of a anti-mutant group that was non-violent as well

Probably timeline (pending Rummy's input) is something like...

- Stalker bots announced and deployed (these would have taken a lot of time to get developed/pitched to city leaders/funded, so they should precede the trigger incident--or rather, MRO's entire history is the trigger incident, the cops know they need help  >.>)
- Buggy AIs start causing issues, people start protesting
- Aura/others cause big public incident
- Curfew enacted
- More shenanigans follow as tensions escalate

First off, the idea is pretty brilliant. I think the implementation would need a bit of coordination and work, but other than that, it's great. I also agree on the idea of removing the stop and frisk rule, because that kind of open discrimation never ends well.

As for participation in the plot itself, Danny probably wouldn't particularly care, either way, about what's going on - I'm sure he'd have some willing, paying customers who'd want him to "protect" them, though, in the wake of an anti-mutant craze. However, I noticed that Aura (I think) mentioned a bomb or so in the NYPD - Danny would be the easiest kind of bomb to sneak in, and similarly would be very easy to detonate once in position. None of it would have to be done with his knowledge, either - everything can easily by engineered by outside parties.

Ambrose would be incredibly interested. In fact, if you need a big bad, Ambrose would be more than happy to fill that position, using the idea of a revitalized human-mutant struggle to further his own goals. He'd even not be below funding the whole thing if it got him what he wanted. I had an idea for another plot that could be combined with this one, possibly as a second stage. I thought that'd it be interesting if Ambrose, needing test subjects for his developing mutant cure, set up "mutant camps" where only mutants would be allowed and would be safe - essentially, the Sanctuary, but for everyone and everywhere. However, his company would actually be removing people from the camps for experimentation. It seems like a way to implement the internment camps, with a similar idea but with more freedom for characters to wander, even if they're centered in a camp. This also creates an opportunity for Ambrose to make some more public appearances, which would serve to move Rummy's plot significantly forward, since Ambrose's real form isn't too photogenic, so to speak.

I like the idea of useing danny as a bomb. Though if we do maybe for a different target, like a large group of humans or another vital target.

would M mutants work for the cure? If aura finds out ambrose is experimenting on mutants trying to cure them she would be very angry lol. Could be a fun plot point as well to have Aura discover that maybe after the work has been done. If M Mutants can serve the same purpose Aura could catch or even sell them to ambrose or infect them with the m drug herself

I am on board for all of this

I'm in favor of this whole thing and the timeline that Jiri suggested, as well the idea of a buggy system. I love the idea of Danny being used (whether he knows it or not) to blow places up. That could definitely be what pushes the whole thing over.
These are some really drastic measures here, so I definitely agree with everyone that it can't just happen out of nowhere. Margo would hate the idea of even the stalker bots, not to mention scanners and the stop and frisk rule, and I can't imagine she would be the only one. Just out of curiosity, how does everyone think this will end? There'll be plenty of conflict while it lasts, but we aren't going to make this permanent, right?

I'm thinking we'll check at the end of the plot and see if people want any elements (such as the stalker bots) to stay around. If people think they'd be fun/useful, then they will; if we're all tired of them, then they won't. As an NYPD-type-person, I like the idea of having a few non-buggy AIs stay on staff under complete NYPD control so we can send them against people who would otherwise massacre cops. It's a little more palatable (and sustainable for the city) to have them destroying robots, instead. But again, only if people want to keep 'em, and we can decide later.

Jiri's potential time-line seems fairly straight forward, i like it.

Randy is gonna be very much caught in the middle of this situation, likely trying to stay out of the whole thing and not taking sides until it causes problems for his bar, like a curfew during prime business hours.

On the other hand, until issues really start happening places like Looking Glass are rumor mills. Not good for starting a fight, but if Aura wants to get a thought spread across the city quickly before a big incident... bars are the place to boast.

I'm down for this. Sounds awesome.
I think it'd be a great time for Scorch to be introduced to either X-Men or the Order. He could be swayed either way. He'd start out on his own, but ofcourse be pulled in with the other Mutant targets.

Not sure how far along the plotting with the MODS is coming, but the original plot mentioned "non-lethal" stalker re-boot AND patrol bots. Further discussion seemed to just include 1 type of bot, seemingly the patrolling "Chappie" bots. Not sure if they where merged un-/intentionally or forgotten

My two cents on this. since the plotting seems to agree on the patrol bots coming online but still very buggy AI wise.

All for that, I like where that seemed to be going, but i was thinking that the "non-lethal" stalker bots could still be brought in mid-late plot as conflict escalates.